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I've examined the clarinet carefully. For sure no serial number on the body.

Hi. I'm looking for information on the clarinet on pictures (year of manufacture) . Logo looks like an old Uebel (not GDR era). No serial number on the body.

Hi. I'm looking for information on the horn on attached pictures. It might be a horn from Migma. No engraving on the body. Only some numbers on the wreath on the bell. Might it be a Josef Pscherer horn? Thanks